3 inch shells vs 3 1/2 inch shells.

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  1. Dave in AZ

    Dave in AZ Senior Refuge Member

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    I'm wondering why this thread is still going actually, given that it's duck season now... Come on, 3.5 vs. 3"? That ought to be a 2-post thread. "Q: is it needed?" A: "No. Next question please..."
    Usually once duck season starts the Quest for Internet Points fades away ;)
    However, it's true there's only been a few reloading threads for weeks, so maybe we're all just reading this one.

    Now I want some IPs! Here's Remington's lineup the last time I went through their entire 12ga offerings this year:

    ID Ref# Ga Length Hull Shot grns Type FPS Crimp Comment
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    NS1235 BB,2 12 3.50 Remington 1 1/2 656.0 Steel 1500 Rem Nitro Steel
    HSS1235B BB,2,4 12 3.50 Remington 1 3/8 601.0 Steel 1,700 Rem HyperSonic
    SSTHV1235 BB,2 12 3.50 Remington 1 3/8 601.0 Steel 1550 Rem Sportsman
    NS12HM T, BB,2,4 12 3.00 Remington 1 3/8 601.0 Steel 1,300 Rem Nitro Steel
    SST12HM BB,2 12 3.00 Remington 1 3/8 601.0 Steel 1300 Rem Sportsman
    HSS12M bb,1-4,6 12 3.00 Remington 1 1/4 546.0 Steel 1,700 Rem HyperSonic
    NS12M BBB-4 12 3.00 Remington 1 1/4 546.0 Steel 1,450 Rem Nitro Steel
    SSTHV12HM BB-#4 12 3.00 Remington 1 1/4 546.0 Steel 1,400 Rem Sportsman
    NS12S BB,2,4 12 2.75 Remington 1 1/4 546.0 Steel 1,275 Rem Nitro Steel
    HSS12 B,2,4 12 3.00 Remington 1 1/8 492.2 Steel 1,700 Rem HyperSonic
    SSTHV12H BB,2,4 12 3.00 Remington 1 1/8 492.2 Steel 1,550 Rem Sportsman
    NS12HVS 2,4 12 2.75 Remington 1 1/8 492.2 Steel 1,390 Rem Nitro Steel
    SST12S 2, 4 12 2.75 Remington 1 1/8 492.2 Steel 1,375 Rem Sportsman
    SST12 #6, #7 12 2.75 Remington 1 437.5 Steel 1,365 Rem Sportsman
     
  2. Billy Bob

    Billy Bob Elite Refuge Member

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    I stand corrected but always see them marked 1365 or something odd and haven't seen the 1400. I admit I am not much of a Remington fan anymore though because of all of those odd velocities I kept seeing so I don't know much about them anymore. When I said industry standard I was referring to almost every manufacturer producing loads at 1400 and 1550 fps. I last looked at Remington sportman 2 3/4" 1 1/8oz because of the slightly lower odd velocity (probably where I remember the 1365 from) but opted to stick with Xperts at 1400 and changing out shot sizes in the 1325fps game and target loads.
     
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  3. Billy Bob

    Billy Bob Elite Refuge Member

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    You will be happy to know my 107 day season starts Saturday so I will have better things to keep me busy. :l Found a huge mixed wad of wigeon, pintails and teal to keep me busy for a while. :yes
     
  4. 10GAGENUT

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    The way you have to look at that Dave isn't the question of if it's needed or not, question is are people buying them or not.
    The ammo companies and gun manufacturers don't care about if a 3 1/2" shell is needed so much as are people buying the guns and ammo, I'd go with a yes on that. So long as people keep on buying then they will still make them, it's up to the individual to decide if it's needed or not.
    As for duck season ours hasn't started yet, soon though very soon.
     
  5. Dave in AZ

    Dave in AZ Senior Refuge Member

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    Well since it's a thread of all things...
    Like Tuleman said, there really are some decent Remington loads. The three best to me are the 1-1/4oz 3" at 1450 and 1400, and the 1-1/8 3" at 1550. Everyone who posts about using Rem seems to like them and they have great waterproofing.
    HOWEVER, like BillyBob mentioned, they are pretty much impossible for me to find. Since I reload my own, I only buy a box here and there if I'm interested and see them, to test out, but I'm never interested enough to order online a single box. And the only Rem steel I ever see are Hypersonics, or once in a while those slow ones in the 1300's. They just don't sell them anywhere I am. I did see a box of this:
    SST12S 2, 4 12 2.75 Remington 1 1/8 492.2 Steel 1,375 Rem Sportsman in #2, at Sportsman's Warehouse, and bought them for like $9 which seemed a good deal, but haven't used them. But I figure #2 at 1275 will do OK at the closer ranges.
     
  6. Billy Bob

    Billy Bob Elite Refuge Member

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    That #2 @1275 load should be good to near 40. I've been getting dead birds at 35+ replacing the shot in the game and target loads with 3's and 4's and they are 1325 fps. Most of my shooting with those loads is at medium size ducks. Pintails, gadwall and wigeon. It may not be as good for mallards. That 1275 load interests me but I don't know what the recoil would be like with 1.25oz shot.

    It will be a long while before I shop for ammo again though, I got 35 boxes of the 2 3/4" experts on clearance at Walmart at the end of season and some cases of the game and target loads as well.
     
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    JFG Elite Refuge Member

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    “...... 107 day season”.

    Is the divorce rate high over there? I could only wish for that ....a 107 day season of course.
     
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    Billy Bob Elite Refuge Member

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    I've never been married and have lost several girlfriends because of duck season. They say they can handle me hunting all the time until the reality sets in. :l
     
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    10GAGENUT Elite Refuge Member Sponsor Flyway Manager

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    Don't we all wish for something like that. Maybe someday the rest of the country will be allowed to get out of the 1930's and get that long a season. I just love these people from USFWS and DU constantly reminding us of the record number of ducks we now have, well OK then lets us hunt them a bit longer.
     
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  10. Dave in AZ

    Dave in AZ Senior Refuge Member

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    We've got a 107 day season in AZ usually. However, the ducks mostly don't arrive for the first 60 days of it, so... We already started here on 5 Oct, and more northern states aren't open yet. Some residents of course, but they hang mostly at golf courses, the main source of grass and water holes in AZ heh.
     

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