Thanks for everyone's input, lots to think about.... As I researched GSPs (Drahthaars) and English Pointers, I found that they are very high strung and would not do well in a 1/4 acre suburban lot house with kids, cat, and hidden fence unless I could somehow work it 2 - 3 hours a day. So I started looking at Llewellin Setters. They seem to get good reviews as a hunting and house dog and they are great at upland hunting. I have retired from standing in half-frozen flooded cornfields at 5AM duck wishing. My concern (and main question) is how much of the smartworks process can I use on a Llewellin setter and can they ever be as trained to fetch, stay, come etc... as well as a lab? Are the basic training techniques completely different for a pointer/setter? What parts of the Smartworks system toolbox can I use and should not use? I realize their will be specialized point to flush training, whoa etc... that will need to be taught outside the smartworks system and will figure that out.