Advice on next dog (long question)

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  1. HUNT24/7

    HUNT24/7 Senior Refuge Member

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    Awesome!
    Sounds like a solid choice for your situation, there are other forums dedicated to versatile breeds with tons of information. Don't limit your breeder by location, you've got tons of time to research breeders & it won't take long to find out who the best ones are, then chose one & get on the list!!!
     
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  2. Constructeur

    Constructeur Senior Refuge Member

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    It sounds like you already know that Bob is square one when it comes to PP's. I'd ask him about breedings/litter suggestions to be quite honest.
    Another research source is NAPPA, http://www.pudelpointer.org

    Let us know how you get on with the process :tu
     
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  3. Laboratory

    Laboratory Senior Refuge Member

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    Thanks for the words of encouragement. Talked to a guy that Bob recommended to contact fairly close to me. Good start, the wheels are turning. Target date is by early next summer.
     
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  4. 3drahthaars

    3drahthaars Elite Refuge Member

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    Steve Boren sent me a note several weeks ago that he was having a litter... might give him a call.

    I judged two of his dogs some time ago and they got my wheels spinning about a PP. They were really nice. Super noses, field work, etc. And a "Bob" dog would be no question in my mind.

    Glad you made the move.

    Please keep in touch... will be interested in how the pup progresses.

    3ds
     
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  5. jbrown

    jbrown Elite Refuge Member

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    I've hunted quail for 60 years and owned several different breeds of bird dogs through the years. After I retired, I went to work for a friend as a quail hunting guide at his Ga quail plantation. Ive been guiding for the last 14 years. Different breeds of bird dog all have pros and cons, you need to pick a breed that best suits the terrain you hunt and temperment you want your dog to have. English Pointers run big, most are not born retrievers, some GSP are big running dogs and most German dogs are born retrievers, they also like water. The Drahthaar usually run smaller, born retrievers and love water, great in colder weather. Setters usually don't run as big as Pointers, they retrieve well, can take cold, but seem to get hotter than the others. I've never hunted a PP, I can't speak about them. Most Pointers are not big on affection, they just want to run and point. Most German dogs love affection and can make good house dogs. You must weigh the pro's and con's, pick the best breed for how you hunt. If you hunt big open country, get a pointer or big running GSP, as a rule of thumb, the more ground the dog covers the more birds he has a chance to point. If your cover is thick, pick a dog that is suited to hunt closer to you. My favorite bird dogs are pointers, second is the GSP. If I could only have one, it would be GSP or Drahttaar. The Drahttaar would be the best combo for quail and ducks.
     
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  6. Laboratory

    Laboratory Senior Refuge Member

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    Reviving this thread. A year later, next week I am drive to Iowa to get my Pudelpointer puppy. It took 11 months and making a friend at a hunt test last year.

    Back to the rest of my original question in the opening post...

    What is the best DVD to use for pointer/retriever training? I do best by seeing instead of reading instructions when it comes to training.

    For my lab I used Evan's Smartworks program which is awesome and has great production. However I don't know what and what not to apply from his train as it is more focused on Labs.

    I have the DVD set from Poulder River Gundogs but does not seem that great - very slow moving and amature production zzzzz

    I have D.T. Systems Training Pointing Dogs Dvd Collection of Volumes 1 to 4 coming tomorrow by featuring the expert pointer trainer George Hickox - it is a pretty short DVD compared to Smartworks extensive training DVDs

    I have the new book 'Breeding & Training Versatile Hunting Dogs' by Bob Farris (the guy that pretty much kickstarted the Pudelpointer breed in the U.S.)

    Two main questions...

    1) What is the best pointer dog training DVD set?

    and more difficult question if you have not used Smartwork training.

    2) What part of the Smartwork retriever training can be applied to a versatile dog - pointer + retriever ?
     
  7. linhardt

    linhardt Senior Refuge Member

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    What breeder did you end up going with?
     
  8. fishnfool

    fishnfool Elite Refuge Member

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    My advice is to buy these three books. They all compliment each other well. One of them is for DDs, but the methods and advice will apply to most any versatile breed.

    https://www.amazon.com/Themselves-Taking-Advantage-Condtioned-Learning/dp/0963012746
    http://navhdastore.org/thetrainingandcareoftheversatilehuntingdog.aspx
    https://www.amazon.com/Drahthaar-Puppy-Manual-Deutsch-Drahthaar-Experience/dp/B0031TU2QE (you can actually purchase this book here)

    Then work in any Smartworks techniques that you think might compliment those techniques. OB, FF, and even some (basic) retrieve training won't differ much between a PP or a lab....I bought/used some of the Smartworks DVDs on my DD in addition to working with a versatile breeder/trainer (do you have a local NAVHDA chapter?).

    I've only trained my one DD, so I'm far from an expert, but my biggest advice on a training a versatile is don't worry about a specific "program" or a "schedule". Don't be worried about drills, repetition, or over-handling. After you've covered basic OB, forget the DVDs and focus on exposure, exposure, exposure.....that will train your dog better than anything else. Your dog was bred to hunt...that drive and instinct (pointing, retrieving, searching, etc.) is already in there. Your job isn't to train that part, but to show it how you want it to hunt. Ultimately you'll know your dog better than anyone so use your own judgement.

    Good luck, and post up plenty of pictures when the pup comes home!
     
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  9. linhardt

    linhardt Senior Refuge Member

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    I'm assuming you have joined your local chapter of https://www.navhda.org/. Especially since your new pup needs to first pass the Natural Ability Test. Those veteran members should be able to help you get where you need and supply you with any answers to questions you may have.
     
  10. Laboratory

    Laboratory Senior Refuge Member

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    Yep signing up now

    Doesn't look like there is anything as complete as the Smartwork system out their for pointing dogs. I guess I'll use Smartwork for FF, water retrieves, etc... and patch together some pointer training. I can't believe the dog would point and hold steady perfectly without some dedicated training. Maybe point and charge in... but my first pointer. Always had flushing labs for upland.
     

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