Are any of you members of the GWPCNC? Is there another GWP club? As far as the difference between Drahthaars and GWPs --is there really a difference and if so, what is the difference? I know in GSPs, some put stock in the Kurzhaars, but my experience is that there are just as good Dual Champion GSPs here in the US (and in California) as there are anywhere. I know that there are what many call American Shorthairs too and many are great dogs that run in American Field. I once participated in training a German Longhaired Pointer (another breed entirely) imported from Germany. Whoever bred that dog, bred for something with so much prey drive, so much independence, and so much aggression that the dog was almost unbearable to live with. The dog actually used to pee on the owner's leg and bit the owner on several occasions.