Hooray For Tariffs!

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  1. hobbydog

    hobbydog Elite Refuge Member

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    Anyone who owns a 401k or IRA probably owns some CAT stock. It’s called globalization. It’s called the 21st century. You can’t stop it no more than you can stop the rising sun. But if whining about it makes you feel better go for it.
     
  2. Ron Gilmore

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    So in hobby words we are simply one big nation with counties . Ruled by the new world order.

    Hobby what you keep failing to see is n9w that the US is acting in the same manner as the rest of the countries it is exposing the lack of fair trade geared to benefit others but not the USA
     
  3. hartfish

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    The poor USA, the worlds largest economy that is treated so unfairly. You might identify as a conservative but you sound like a liberal.
     
  5. Ron Gilmore

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    Big differences in what you imply and reality. Conservatives want free trade, which is equal treatment of goods import export. Trade that is not free as in NAFTA and with China and EU needs fixing.

    Then as a conservative we look at bigger picture as well. National security and that includes the ability to sustain our ability to produce the needed items during a crisis.

    Hobby wants to sell out that for penny decreases on products
     
  6. stevena198301

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    One option for defense could be to have gov't produced "items" for defense. That is, if the only reason for wanting US steel (as an example) is for critical defense applications. As it is right now, the USG buys items like this from private entities, at sometimes an insane mark-up, through a flawed system (GSA is one, and it's a sheet-show). A "critical defense production facility", if you will. Somewhat related, somewhat unrelated, but dig into the General Dynamics "Common hardware/software" (CHS) racket sometime... That's the one where GD takes a common-off-the-shelf (COTS) item such as a computer, router, switch, etc, from someone like Dell, Cisco, or the like; slaps a "General Dynamics" sticker on it, and charges anywhere from 3-10 times the amount that same product would cost if you or I were to go buy it. And somehow, probably through the brother-in-law system, a whole bunch of enterprise-level organizations (think, Army-sized) are REQUIRED to use the GD COTS equipment. Now, we all know on a small level, the gov't making their own items would never be cost-efficient (just having to purchase special equipment for a small run is dumb). But I'm not so sure about on the larger scale. Also, the last I checked, most contracts for the army stipulate production efforts use US made/sourced parts, right from the beginning (many times for good reason).

    Seems to me, that would be the closest middle between picking and choosing winners and losers. It'll never happen, and it's just a pipe-dream, though.
     
  7. API

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    Indeed, screw functionality because we are suckers for style. Commonality is pretty much the OEM model where brand distinction is pretty much cosmetic appearance items, labelling, and packaging with maybe a tad of proprietary firmware.
     
  8. stevena198301

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    The CHS model isn't bad. It allows you flexibility in the field. Especially for electronics systems. Imagine being deployed, and having a primary function computer (like a fire-control station) **** the bed. You HOPE your logistics section is prepared for this, but that is not always the case. When it's not, the beauty of the CHS system is that you can take a less critical operational asset (like a remote workstation used for situational awareness only) and with nothing more than swapping the hard drive and hooking the cables back up, have an operational system again. What is ridiculous, is the exorbitant cost charged to the gov't. Some CHS items, it's totally justifiable. Guts of "soft" computers are rebuilt into a "hardened" chassis, that has been EMI tested, drop tested, moisture tested, etc. One should expect to pay more for that level of service. However, when I can purchase a Cisco 3750 switch for $3K from Cisco, and that same exact switch from GD carries a $12-18K pricetag, something's hinky.
     
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    Ya wonder if its really possible to have an asset that's hardened enough to be reliable when the SHTF. My own (olden days) experience was with F-4B Phantom avionics. It was a rare day for a bird to return from a strike with no gripes.
     
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