New EPA rule threatens waterfowl

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  1. chuam

    chuam Elite Refuge Member

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    You seem to be very much alone.

    TRCP, Backcountry Hunters, TU disagree with you.
     
  2. Ron Gilmore

    Ron Gilmore Elite Refuge Member

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    Those groups are very much now controlled by
    liberals who Want to take without compensate. Just because a group has Hunters in its name doesn't mean anything!

    But chum, you and c.f. Are full blown follow what we are told sheep that have a twisted perverted view your entitled to what others have at no cost to you!
     
  3. California Flyway

    California Flyway Elite Refuge Member

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    As confusing to you as it might seem the world is not made up of liberals or conservatives. A more evolved position might be that folks apply their thinking, opinions, and actions on a case issue by issue basis. In other words ditch the limited thinking, pigeonhole, paradigm.
    Ron you should not presume what I am liberal or what I am conservative about. As you are well aware I worked in the business of watershed planning and watershed restoration for twenty years. I worked cooperatively with both small landowners, farmers and large corporate timber owners to help them comply with Clean Water Act TMDL compliance under section 303d. I wrote grants and found funding and volunteers to help them. In the cases of small landowners I usually did the projects at little to no cost with them providing labor or materials as match.

    There seems to be an outbreak of Zombie Republicans who blindly support Trumps efforts to dismantle evironmental (and other) protections being carried out by his corrupt appointees.
    It is not just the appointees of EPA and Interior if you have been paying attention.
    If you are not paying attention or do not care, maybe you have gone Zombie on us.

     
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  4. Ron Gilmore

    Ron Gilmore Elite Refuge Member

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    As confusing as you attempt to.make it, the reality is that legislation and rules that result from that have either constitutional or anti constitutional impacts.

    The rules rolled pack fly directly into the face of the Constitution by forced taking without compensation!

    It is a liberal or progressive ideal that this is Ok, so since using the term Liberal explains accurately this it is why I and other do so!

    I never said or used the word conservative in my comment! It is your attempt to deflect and confuse that prompts you to try and make this a conservative vs liberal issue!

    It is and was a clear attempt by liberals,socialists, anti constitutional people to take from others in direct conflict to the Constitution!
     
  5. gadwall52

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    Ron , I read the waters of the us rule, no where did I see ANY calls for taking private property . Please explain how stopping pollution is a taking.
     
  6. Ron Gilmore

    Ron Gilmore Elite Refuge Member

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    Taking Has many forms Which includes placing restrictions on property reducing use income and/or recreational activity
     
  7. gadwall52

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    So it was a taking when the clean water act was passed. Maybe we should just tax landowners for their runoff.
     
  8. Ron Gilmore

    Ron Gilmore Elite Refuge Member

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    You are clueless, rules imposed under old rules prevented us from restoring wetlands restricted use of our land even though it would have restored acres to pre farmed grasses and plants or costs to go so made it prohibitive.. like it or not these acts are a taking without compensation.

    WHEN YOU GET THAT THEN LETS TALK.

    IT IS NOT YOUR LAND TO TELL ME OR OTHERS WHAT YOU CAN DO THAT HAS NO DOWNSTREAM AFFECT ON WATER FLOWS NEITHER INCREASING OR DECREASING THEM.

    Nor would will the changesxaffect aquifers negatively.
    Wildlife both game and non game will benefit especially monarch butterflies. Native ground bees etc..

    Sitting fron neighboring waterways has contaminated the wetlands. Removal and restoring wetlands so native aquatics can be replanted was prohibited.

    Berms yo prevent resilting from upstream where prohibited and a host of other things.

    When those tasked with enforcement tell you to wait for these rules to expire, to better restore the land both in total acres and better overall restoration it is telling.
     
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  9. gadwall52

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    Planting fence row to fence row, planting waterways does affect downstream waters and ground water. Restoring wet lands is as simple as allowing it to revert naturally . Just pull your drain pipe. If your haveing to do more you're not restoring a wet land you're creating one . That affects downstream flow.
     
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  10. Ron Gilmore

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    How about restoring a wetland is more than allowing it to revert. These are damaged wetlands that have never been drained but have excessive runoff from upstream drainage! These are also non meandering wetlands meaning they are closed basin. In order for them to be restored excessive minerals and chemicals have to be removed or search the damage expand!

    In regards to draintile hounding find any within 35 miles of our farm! So as I stated now these can effectively be restored, silt berms established and plants native to the area as well as grasses planted. Plants like milkweed as well. Native flowers also.
     

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