Maybe that’s the problem people are having with the gun not the shells. Killed 2 sprig today with Rios with my Stoeger M2000. 2 3/4 1 1/4 oz #3’s. A gun that has the worst reviews of any out there. No problems of ANY brand of shell through that gun either since I owned it new many years ago. Been using Rios since they came out both lead low base and steel. No issues between my dad, son and me.