Started researching for a new pair of waders after I noticed mine leaking around the crotch after putting out dekes the other day. Seems like you'll find reviews on most brands of waders leaking right out of the box while some say they are great. After reading this thread I looked up the Sitka and Simms, Holy Cow! I've never seen any wader's that were 8 or 900. I'm not that hard on waders as usually just walking through flooded soybeans or corn and usually two years is about max before a leak. I've got the Cabelas breathable now and this would have been the start of the 3rd year. Man is it hard to buy a pair you have confidence in nowadays.